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		<title>By: Bryan Kearney</title>
		<link>http://blog.elizabethhoward.net/2009/07/12/your-government-your-lemon-political-post/comment-page-1/#comment-5823</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Kearney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 14:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kabuki-conservative... that&#039;s freakin&#039; great! Can I use that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kabuki-conservative&#8230; that&#8217;s freakin&#8217; great! Can I use that?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Deitrich</title>
		<link>http://blog.elizabethhoward.net/2009/07/12/your-government-your-lemon-political-post/comment-page-1/#comment-3688</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Deitrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that technology (blogs/networking sites) has furthered the lack of meaningful discourse. However, saying that, I’m not so sure if the good old days were all that good.  Ignorance has most certainly sustained the decades.

However, in the end, respect has always been a vital element to healthy communities and our political system has been experiencing a decline in this virtue among both our government and its citizens.

For me, the question becomes, who profits from the lack of discourse? 

I’m not a conspiracy advocate, however, I can spot motivations in and outside the government.

To a elected official, the status quo is more personally beneficial than progress. 

To the citizens-at-large, the entities that have a stranglehold on officials, play a part in the how the discourse is presented.

I would suggest that people really begin to look closely and thoughtfully regarding the information they are given. The conglomeration of news outlets has definitely put a spin on what news is reported and how it is presented on both sides of the spectrum. These “presentations” are driven by who can hold the larger audience share thereby pleasing the advertisers and making &quot;news&quot; profitable.

The (mis)information spoon fed by these entities, which are at the mercy of spinning a 24 hour news cycle into gold, have contributed greatly to the hostility evident in  public discourse.

When the advertising that these companies do to keep these entities on the air, they indirectly support the content. Are they responsible for divisive rants? No. Are they responsible to re-evaluate if their advertising should be paired with the content? Absolutely.

This is the dance that advertisers, studio heads, and consumers work out, one message at a time, which shapes a company&#039;s brand in the mind of the public. At the end of the day what really happens is that we, the consumer, hold the media accountable to a higher standard and the advertiser from selling a product at any cost. When it works, we are all richer.

It works the same way for elected officials. We can facilitate positive change, provided we get properly informed.

The tide won’t turn until people begin realize this. Until then…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that technology (blogs/networking sites) has furthered the lack of meaningful discourse. However, saying that, I’m not so sure if the good old days were all that good.  Ignorance has most certainly sustained the decades.</p>
<p>However, in the end, respect has always been a vital element to healthy communities and our political system has been experiencing a decline in this virtue among both our government and its citizens.</p>
<p>For me, the question becomes, who profits from the lack of discourse? </p>
<p>I’m not a conspiracy advocate, however, I can spot motivations in and outside the government.</p>
<p>To a elected official, the status quo is more personally beneficial than progress. </p>
<p>To the citizens-at-large, the entities that have a stranglehold on officials, play a part in the how the discourse is presented.</p>
<p>I would suggest that people really begin to look closely and thoughtfully regarding the information they are given. The conglomeration of news outlets has definitely put a spin on what news is reported and how it is presented on both sides of the spectrum. These “presentations” are driven by who can hold the larger audience share thereby pleasing the advertisers and making &#8220;news&#8221; profitable.</p>
<p>The (mis)information spoon fed by these entities, which are at the mercy of spinning a 24 hour news cycle into gold, have contributed greatly to the hostility evident in  public discourse.</p>
<p>When the advertising that these companies do to keep these entities on the air, they indirectly support the content. Are they responsible for divisive rants? No. Are they responsible to re-evaluate if their advertising should be paired with the content? Absolutely.</p>
<p>This is the dance that advertisers, studio heads, and consumers work out, one message at a time, which shapes a company&#8217;s brand in the mind of the public. At the end of the day what really happens is that we, the consumer, hold the media accountable to a higher standard and the advertiser from selling a product at any cost. When it works, we are all richer.</p>
<p>It works the same way for elected officials. We can facilitate positive change, provided we get properly informed.</p>
<p>The tide won’t turn until people begin realize this. Until then…</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://blog.elizabethhoward.net/2009/07/12/your-government-your-lemon-political-post/comment-page-1/#comment-3684</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,

I&#039;m sorry you ditched Facebook on DM&#039;s account. I ditched email, sort  of, for the same reason. I used to email, in bulk, to friends and acquaintances to tell them what was going on in my life. In respond, I got put on bulk email list that included all kids of ridiculous lies (see &lt;strong&gt;snopes.com&lt;/strong&gt; before you email crap like that, hello!!) and started blasting of long email messages back to the groups. Eventually I found myself just deleting any emails I got from those particular people-- some of them family.

Conversations do seem to have become horrifyingly one-way and one-sided. Blogs have done that, where you can comment but not really have any responsibility to reply meaningfully. The snarky rant allows us to blather on (TALK RADIO is the same way) to niche audience, but to have no responsibility to any true critical response. In the day of three TV channels, things were different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry you ditched Facebook on DM&#8217;s account. I ditched email, sort  of, for the same reason. I used to email, in bulk, to friends and acquaintances to tell them what was going on in my life. In respond, I got put on bulk email list that included all kids of ridiculous lies (see <strong>snopes.com</strong> before you email crap like that, hello!!) and started blasting of long email messages back to the groups. Eventually I found myself just deleting any emails I got from those particular people&#8211; some of them family.</p>
<p>Conversations do seem to have become horrifyingly one-way and one-sided. Blogs have done that, where you can comment but not really have any responsibility to reply meaningfully. The snarky rant allows us to blather on (TALK RADIO is the same way) to niche audience, but to have no responsibility to any true critical response. In the day of three TV channels, things were different.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Deitrich</title>
		<link>http://blog.elizabethhoward.net/2009/07/12/your-government-your-lemon-political-post/comment-page-1/#comment-3681</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Deitrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dumped my facebook account precisely because of politics. I reconnected with former friends and was horrified by how kabuki-conservative they were. Despite this, I was willing to engage in debate, but quickly found how anemic they were in relation to awareness of the issues and solid information regarding these issues. Much of what I got in response was canned noise with no relation to reality. In addition, I was discomforted by the level of hostility that framed their arguments. In the end, it became clear that there was no purpose in continuing these engagements and I decided to essentially dop the whole account. In some way I feel as if I betrayed myself in that act, but on the other side I didn&#039;t see the purpose of continuing with a social networking site that had become anything but social.

In the end, I firmly believe that discussing politics is vital to those of us who care, however the difficulty I have encountered is that there is very little &quot;discussion&quot; going on. It seems  to me that few understand the notion of dissent and disagreement and seem rather to be focused on conversion and exorcism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dumped my facebook account precisely because of politics. I reconnected with former friends and was horrified by how kabuki-conservative they were. Despite this, I was willing to engage in debate, but quickly found how anemic they were in relation to awareness of the issues and solid information regarding these issues. Much of what I got in response was canned noise with no relation to reality. In addition, I was discomforted by the level of hostility that framed their arguments. In the end, it became clear that there was no purpose in continuing these engagements and I decided to essentially dop the whole account. In some way I feel as if I betrayed myself in that act, but on the other side I didn&#8217;t see the purpose of continuing with a social networking site that had become anything but social.</p>
<p>In the end, I firmly believe that discussing politics is vital to those of us who care, however the difficulty I have encountered is that there is very little &#8220;discussion&#8221; going on. It seems  to me that few understand the notion of dissent and disagreement and seem rather to be focused on conversion and exorcism.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk of politics was one of the refreshing things I loved about France and the french people: Children walking to school to the elderly in the produce areas of the grocery store were well-versed, educated and yet willing to listen to other opinions - mainly because they LOVE opinions.  How refreshing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk of politics was one of the refreshing things I loved about France and the french people: Children walking to school to the elderly in the produce areas of the grocery store were well-versed, educated and yet willing to listen to other opinions &#8211; mainly because they LOVE opinions.  How refreshing!</p>
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		<title>By: jeff law</title>
		<link>http://blog.elizabethhoward.net/2009/07/12/your-government-your-lemon-political-post/comment-page-1/#comment-3679</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GREAT PIECE !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GREAT PIECE !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot sex. You aren&#039;t supposed to talk about that either!

I love to talk about politics and religion with family and friends and complete strangers. Face to face frank discussion is like the warp threads in the fabric of our society. They tie the whole together and give it strength and structure. Some ideas are a little loopy, but they sure add interest with their contrast. How do you determine if your ideas and opinions represent your true feelings and values if they are never brought into the light, pulled at and inspected. Different perspectives are so important to arrive at the truth of a thing. I say let&#039;s argue and disagree and fight and cry and agree and compromise, but most of all let&#039;s communicate face to face and with love in our hearts for the people we share the earth with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot sex. You aren&#8217;t supposed to talk about that either!</p>
<p>I love to talk about politics and religion with family and friends and complete strangers. Face to face frank discussion is like the warp threads in the fabric of our society. They tie the whole together and give it strength and structure. Some ideas are a little loopy, but they sure add interest with their contrast. How do you determine if your ideas and opinions represent your true feelings and values if they are never brought into the light, pulled at and inspected. Different perspectives are so important to arrive at the truth of a thing. I say let&#8217;s argue and disagree and fight and cry and agree and compromise, but most of all let&#8217;s communicate face to face and with love in our hearts for the people we share the earth with.</p>
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